good morning. i'm chris jansing. today the lone living suspect in the boston marathon bombings is expected to be formally charged. we know dzhokhar tsarnaev is still in serious condition but talking to investigators mostly in writing because he's got a bullet wound to the throat. and the boston police commissioner has said he believes there could have been more attacks. >> there were over 200 rounds fired at the scene. they were armed with sidearms and explosive devices. one that has been widely publicized was one of the pressure cooker devices similar to what we saw on boylston street. >> and beyond any immediate threat or the question of motive, there is another question that is key to this investigation. as evidence mounts that the older brother, tamerlan tsarnaev took a radical turn, when

exactly? what about that six-month trip to dagestan and chechnya. i want to bring in pete williams. good morning once again. i want to start with dzhokhar tsarnaev. do we know specifically beyond serious condition how he's doing and how much talking he's doing? >> well, very little talking because of his throat wound. serious but stable condition is the way they describe it. we have been told that they are asking him some questions during brief periods and that he is giving them answers in writing. what he's saying we don't know. we can assume they are asking him about other threats. whether they had other plotters working with them or whether there were other explosives out there. that's the kind of questions they can ask during this initial period before they have to give him a miranda warning. >> which deals with public security threat. do investigators have a good handle, pete, on how big an

arsenal they had? >> you know, we have heard conflicting things about this. we know they had a lot of finished bombs because they threw a lot of them out of the car as the police were chasing them thursday night, friday morning. they were throwing these little homemade hand grenades they had out and another pressure cooker device although it wasn't a fully finished one because we heard accounts that they lit it, which is different than the one set off on the two at the boston marathon. so they had seven, eight explosives. how many guns they had is unclear at this point. >> apparently they were using at least one or two of them in that friday night shootout. we're getting new details about how all of that went down. is it right that tamerlan got out of the car. he apparently approached police with a gun. they take him down but then he was still alive and his brother ran him over? >> that's correct. may have dragged him for a short time as well. >> presumably an autopsy would

determine whether that might have been the cause of death, right? >> yes. although i suspect the cause of death is the fact that he was shot. he was shot a number of times. >> and then we also know that there was a carjacking and the question we had in the initial hours of course was why would they tell a carjacking victim we're the guys, we're the bombers and then let him go but apparently they didn't let him go. >> we have contacted him by e-mail. he's declined a request to be interviewed. he doesn't want to be identified. he says he's trying to get his life back to normal. but he says that they held him at gunpoint during the carjacking and said we're the marathon bombers. they also said that they shot campus policeman and then i asked him whether to sort out this issue of whether he escaped or whether they let him out. he says of course i escaped. he described them as cautious but brutal and separately in a police report from the

authorities in boston he told the police interrogators the carjacking owner -- the owner of the car, they told him they would not kill him because he was not an american. >> pete williams, as always, thank you for your exhaustive reporting. >> you bet. >> this big question this morning. did it need to come to this? the headline in the boston herald puts it this way. lawmakers ask did fbi drop ball in probe? here's what congressman peter king said last hour on "the daily rundown." >> i just think somewhere along the line it's fair to say why didn't the fbi follow up on that and combine the first interrogation, first examination plus subsequent act. you find nothing and he ends up carrying out murders, you wonder if you missed something in the investigation. >> in case you didn't know, we know the fbi interviewed tamerlan in 2011. they were tipped off by the russian government who said he was a strong believer in radical

islam and the fbi determined he was not a threat at that point. congressman king and homeland security chairman mike mccall are drafting a letter to get a copy of the classified briefing. we also know that next year, 2012, tamerlan travels to dagestan for a period of six months with a couple of brief trips to chechnya. it's not clear if during that six months something happened. did he get some kind of training there? roger is an nbc terrorism analyst and former white house counterterrorism official. don clark is a former fbi special agent. good morning to both of you. >> good morning, chris. >> good morning. >> mike rogers said the fbi did a thorough job but not everyone agrees. i guess for starters, let me ask you. is it possible something was missed here? >> well, you know, it's always

possible something was missed. we don't know what information the fbi had when they first started to investigate this and you take an investigation so far and you get to a point that you say, okay, we don't have anything here. doesn't mean they stop at that point but it means they didn't have it there. keep it mind when you're involved with terrorists, they do everything that they possibly can to go in another direction so that organizations like the fbi cannot get the information as to what they might be up to. >> you know, there's also some question about not just what happened when he went to dagestan but how he got there. let me play for you what mike rogers had to say because the question is could he have gone there under an alias. >> we believe he may have actually traveled on an alias to get back to his home country and that 6 1/2 months or so becomes

extremely important. you know he had some radicalization before he left. you know that he didn't probably travel on his own name or some variation of his own name and when he comes back, he has a renewed interest in that radicalization belief process. >> that's a whole other set of questions about if he had fake documents that enabled him to travel to dagestan. how do we get to the root of that question, what happened over there? >> well, it's a very big second set of questions. if he did have a travel on alias and had additional documents, the question is who helped him if anybody. what you're going to see now over next period of weeks and months is a digital and communication and travel trail that are all going to be uncovered and pieces put together here. dagestan and cheechnya, it is inconceivable to me they were not aware in some way, shape or form of his travel.

even if he was under an alias because of the focus they have on the internal conflict there, i have to believe that there was some knowledge that they had one way or another. >> could they have knowledge and not alert the united states? >> it's conceivable. that's what we're going to find. we're 48 plus hours into having him in custody, the younger brother, so this part of unpacking and unearthing the information that was there and may have not been analyzed the right way or not being able to connect the dots because we didn't know the right names, all of that is going to be uncovered in the not too distant future. >> we don't know if congress or any of the rest of us will see the documents that talk about these conversations or the investigation that went on after the russia government asked for it. kind of a common sense question is if there was an fbi agent, his mother described tamerlan talking to an fbi agent after

this was request was put in. face to face questioning and she says tamerlan was trying to actually convert the fbi agent to islam, i don't know how often that happens, it would seem that might be memmemorable. with the pictures out there the way they were, wouldn't whoever this fbi agent was have said that's the guy i talked to? >> with all due respect to the mother, her claim and her assertion is not fact here and it's not something that we should just base our judgment on. i'm going to wait and see what the bureau has to say from their own internal investigation and assessment. >> would there have been necessarily a face to face questioning or would it have just been a phone call? >> i think it could have been both. it could have been a phone call. it could have been a face to

face. my guess is it may have been a face to face. i would think something of this nature that someone might have gone out and talked face to face with him. again in listening to what i just heard here, i think we really have to further assess that to see if this is the reality they were talking about. >> you have the question of the younger brother. my most accounts he's been put like the puppy dog following after his older brother. we know that his older brother had gotten much stricter religious views. nothing indicated in the younger brother -- i want to bring in jeff rossen learning more about the brothers and particular. >> a chilling detail of what happened in the hours after the bombing. as police were launching this major dragnet, of course, trying to find the suspects, a lot of people assumed that whoever did this, whoever was responsible for it would be off running somewhere or hiding somewhere

but that turns out that wasn't the case. we learned the suspects were hiding in plain sight. in fact dzhokhar was hiding in his college dorm room. he wasn't hiding at all in fact. he was reportedly going to a party. he was getting back to a regular college life at umass dartmouth. i met up with some of his friends over the weekend who actually saw him at the gym the day after the bombings. he was listening to his ipad and they even talked about the bombing. take a listen. >> i would say hi to him. talked about how it was crazy that we had a bombing in boston. >> you said that to him? >> yeah. he said it's a tragedy that it's happening. >> he said it's sad? >> he said it's sad. looked me straight in the eye and said that. >> of course with tamerlan he was a boxer. he was actually doing quite well. wanted to be on the u.s. olympic team. by all accounts it appeared these brothers were living the normal american life on the

outside. tamerlan was also married as you know to an american wife. had a 3-year-old daughter. and an interview with huffington post the wife's attorney said he was actually a stay at home dad and it was the wife who was out working and the younger brother was in college trying to be an engineer so by all accounts these kids say very nice young men who assimilated into this society. >> all right. jeff rossen who continues to look into the backgrounds of these brothers and let me go back. roger, one of the terms that's been thrown around is brainwashing. we had a friend of the wife of tamerlan's wife say she was an all-american girl who was brainwashed. we had friends and family members of dzhokhar saying that his brother brainwashed him. is it possible to figure out what happened here? >> that's why having dzhokhar in

custody and being able to do questioning is critical. dzhokhar returned to his regular life after the attack on monday. with the additional ieds that were within the possession of the two brothers, there clearly was capability to conduct additional attacks. we should assume there was intent. the fact that they could both toggle from the attack life of monday and then return to their other life is pretty amazing. >> chilling is absolutely the word i would use. what do you read into that? >> well, what i read into it, i think we have to look at this and realize that this didn't happen overnight and this is not happenstance by two young gentlemen. this has to be from training and operational activities that these kids have been fed to for years and months to go back and they have blended in. they've worked in. so that it would look like they are just ordinary normal good

college kids, smart and doing everything else but yet they had all of the training. the other side has said you need to do. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. >> thanks, chris. >> now this afternoon boston and surrounding communities will pause for a moment of silence to mark the time the bombs went off at the marathon one week ago. it will followed by the ringing of bells to honor the victims. next hour krystle campbell's funeral will be held. the 29-year-old restaurant manager was one of three people who died in the bombings and governor deval patrick will be atte attending. share. first you each get salad and unlimited cheddar bay biscuits. then choose two from a wide variety of chef-inspired entrées like our new honey garlic crispy shrimp or new seafood lover's linguini. round out your seafood dinner with your choice of either an appetizer or dessert to share!

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on how to handle the prosecution of alleged boston marathon dzhokhar tsarnaev. he's not been read his miles an hour miranda rights and who can be classified as an enemy combata when will the time limit run out and does the threat need to be imminent? >> can they ask questions that are focused on making sure they negate any threat to the public safety. one of the first questions i would expect to be asked of the suspect is are there other explosives out there? the fact that they searched his apartment and they've recovered other explosives would lead any reasonable investigators to think that there could be some

in other places. we don't know where they stored all of their arms, all of their explosives and asking questions of that nature would fit within the public safety exception. >> one of the other questions is when you invoke the public safety exception, what can and cannot be used at trial but there's a suggestion that maybe they don't need this kind of information for trial. let me play for you what governor patrick had to say about video evidence we expect to be described when those legal papers are filed today. >> it does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off. pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling frankly. >> so with those videotapes and with eyewitness accounts and

whatever forensic evidence they got at the scene or back at their apartment, is part of this calculation that we don't need anything additional from him in terms of the questioning? it is a public safety question and wanting to answer the question most people have about the motive. >> absolutely, chris. i'm sure that one of the important aspects in deciding to go ahead with this exception is what is the other evidence available to prosecutors? if they feel they have a strong case even without any statements offered by the suspect, they should move forward and focus on what's more important which is protecting the public from any future harm. it's a great calculation in this case to go ahead with that exception. this is not the only case in which terrorism prosecutors and investigators want to use this exception and having a risk here of not being able to use this person's statements is a very low one. they have a chance of setting a very strong precedent for future

investigation. >> former u.s. attorney daniel collins, thank you so much for being with us. i want to bring in congressman adam shift, democrat from california, a member of the permanent select committee on intelligence and co-founder of the democratic study group on national security and a graduate of harvard law. good to see you, congressman. good morning. >> good to see you. >> the next step of this i guess the more serious step has come from four senators and one congressman so far who are calling for dzhokhar tsarnaev to be called as an enemy combatant. let me play what lindsay graham said about that. >> he should be designated as an enemy combatant and question him for intelligence gathering purposes and find out about terrorist organizations that may exist that he has knowledge of. >> congressman, you releaseded a statement disagreeing with that. why? >> i don't think there's a constitutional legal basis to treat him as an enemy combatanc.

i don't see how we can do this constitutionally. i understand that senator graham would like to prolong the interview and we all want to get as much information as we can but there are limits to what we can do and those limits apply in a situation of an american arrested for committing a heinous act like this on american soil so i don't think there's a constitutional legal basis. i also agree with dan collins. there's a lot we can do prior to miranda warning with public safety expectation. there's a threat to the public. we can accomplish a lot of the information gathering we need to under a constitutional structure without establishing a precedent where we'll treat americans like enemy combatants and throw them in a brig without having legal or constitutional right to do so. >> we know there's been back and forth with him doing some

writing. from a national security standpoint, congressman, do you want to know? >> we want to know if there's further risk to the public and other co-conspirators out there that pose a risk. was there foreign direction? foreign players still involved in this. how did they organize this? was this self-directed by these two or was there foreign direction? you can imagine over the next weeks and months that's what the intelligence agencies are going to be poring through. we'll know as much as we possibly can about every day in their lives over the last few years, every trip they made, every person they talked to. every family member that can be interviewed and it will paint a pretty complete picture of how they were radicalized, what kind of include of older brother had, what kind of role the younger brother had, we'll learn a lot about what took place. you know, one of the key

questions for the intelligence community is what is the foreign connection here? what happened on that trip to dagestan? where were things that we missed? i really think it's premature for any of my colleagues or myself to conclude that the fbi dropped the ball or someone else dropped the ball. >> are you 100% confident that the fbi, which we know had tamerlan tsarnaev on its radar, didn't miss an opportunity to stop this or expect congressional hearings to help understand exactly what happened? >> i'm not at all convinced that the fbi couldn't have missed something or didn't drop the ball. i don't think we can tell on the basis of 48 hours of information. so absolutely the intelligence committees ought to investigate this thoroughly. i want to see what kind of request and intelligence we received from the russian government or others. all of that ought to be provided to the congressional committees and it will. i guarantee you there's no way that we are going to rest until we see all of the information at

our disposal so that we can make conclusions about what can be done to improve things in the future. we do have to realize that in an open society there are limits to what we can do and we don't have the capacity as some are suggesting to surveil everyone when we get some foreign intelligence on them because frankly some of the foreign governments may give us derogatory information because they have their own motivations. >> i want to make sure i understood you right. you agree with peter king who wants these records about the fbi and what they did in terms of following and investigating tamerlan to be released to you? >> absolutely. absolutely. i'm not ready to go where peter king is in indicting the fbi but we need to get that information. >> california congressman adam schiff, thank you for coming on the program. washington state police want

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the senate judiciary committee is holding what was expected to be a straightforward hearing. some republicans want to slow the process which led to tension between the panel's leaders just moments ago. >> let no one be so cruel as to try to use a heinous acts of these two young men last week to derail the dreams and futures of millions of hard working people. the bill before us would serve to strengthen our national security by allowing us to focus our border security and enforcement efforts against those who do us harm. >> i think we're taking advantage of an opportunity when once in 25 years we deal with immigration to make sure that every base is covered. >> let's bring in matt welch and victoria defranchesco soto.

is there any clear vision of what this means for immigration reform? >> it's derailed it a little bit. if you think about in modern history any time there's been an attack by an immigrant or foreign born national in this country, it directly affected immigration policy. in 1993, the bombing led to the 1996 immigration overhaul which kicked a lot of immigrants off welfare and tightened up a lot of things there. after 9/11 there was a lot of different culture about immigration changing entirely. we had books defendi ining internme internment. even tknow there's no connectio, it will affect things. >> let's play sound from senator dick durbin. a member of the gang of eight. >> the worst thing we can do is nothing. if we do nothing leaving 11 million people in the shadows

not making borders safer, not having information that comes from employment and these visa holders, we will be less safe in america. immigration reform will make us safer. >> victoria, what's your take on this? what's this going to mean for immigration reform? >> it absolutely will make us safer. we'll see millions more dollars going into border enforcement. one of the key provisions is we'll have an effective visa entry and exit system. the other part of it is that we know who is in this country because part of the immigration reform that's key here is there will be extensive background checks for all of these people on the path to legalization. interestingly enough, over 93% of undocumented persons support having these extensive background checks. getting to what matthew is saying earlier, we are going to be in a bit of a catch-22. there is that emotional visceral response to turn inwards and

usually time cools all heads but time is something that we don't necessarily have because as we've seen, the momentum is something that would ensure that this provision goes forward but at the same time will people back off of it? this is where we are right now in that catch-22. >> it heightens some of the political differences too. there have been rumblings and a headline in politico this morning about the differences between freshman senator ted cruz and marco rubio. cruz critical of rubio's path to citizenship plan. what would happen if these republicans go head to head? >> there's a lot of future of the republican party going on between marco rubio, ted cruz, rand paul. the thing is when immigration reform is comprehensive because we throw everything in there, visas go here, low-skilled immigration from mexico goes here, everybody little bit makes it more complicated and more susceptible to trigger some kind

of do not fly zone for different groups and with this attack in boston, we might be introducing another one. it will be sensitive. i thought from the beginning this would be an uphill battle to get something comprehensive passed. it's more complicated now. >> more complicated, victoria? will it delay it, stall it, make big chunks go away all together. >> i see a stall factor coming in. not from the senate. we have seen the gang of eight come out very forcefully both republicans and democrats representing their legislation. what we're going to see is in the house. the house has already been skittish about this legislation and they want to break it up. i think here because the momentum is starting to slowdown, we'll see legislation not necessarily go through before summer recess. summer recess comes along and members of congress go back to their districts. constituents may be feeling scared because of the bombings

and we start to see a bit of the health care panel reforms that we did a couple years ago. i think the house because of that closer electoral collection is going to pump the brakes more forcefully than the senate. the senate i don't see much of a problem. it will be a challenge. we have to keep our eye on the house. >> we'll keep watching that hearing as well today. victoria, matt, thanks to both of you. >> thanks, chris. checking the news feeds this morning, this morning we are getting a new look inside the nursing home that was torn apart by last week's massive fertilizer plant explosion in west, texas. investigators say they have found the source of the blast. they haven't made that information public though. and they still don't know what caused the initial fire. the death toll stands at 14. heavy river flooding is forcing evacuations, shutting down bridges and overtaking homes in six midwestern states. three people have been killed. water levels have already broken records in some spots and will peak later in other areas.

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i'm joined by ambassador mark ginsberg. always good to see you. by the time tamerlan tsarnaev spent six months in dagestan he had already become radical in his religious views. let's set the scene. would it be fair to call dagestan ground zero? >> absolutely. i think it's going to be more and more prevalent. let's just assume for the fact here of not putting this gentleman into the equation but understanding. dagestan along with four other repolitics in the north caucasus region have direct ties to al qaeda and terrorist groups that have direct ties to afghani terrorists. this would be the al qaeda in the caucasus branch of al qaeda. we even know that the number two was there in 1997. there are several groups in

chechnya and dagestan that have been deemed terrorists organizations by the united states and there are laws and insurgencies in those countries in those republics that resulted in so many bad attacks on russia we should have a certain amount of sympathy for what russia has gone through as a result of al qaeda's orientated attacks by the islamic extremists groups. >> it does seem that like jose padilla there might have been anger there about chechnya and using that as a rationale for joining jihady movements. having said that. one of the things that gets pointed out continuously is that if you are chechen, your beef is with russia and not the united states. >> yes but to a point. remember, chris, it's not just the chechnya conflict that was involved here. dagestan is really the far more important place to look. let's keep chechnya to the side.

it's dagestan where he went. he probably was not just visiting grandma. let's assume that he had a link there to some of the terrorists groups that are fighting an insurgency in dagestan. i would be far more focused on dagestan than chechnya at this point. >> he does seem to be a series of contradictions. he was increasingly religious by all accounts but in dagestan according to his family he slept through morning prayers. he doesn't fit in in the united states. people say that and he also apparently wrote about that in social media. even after he got back, he's trying to become an american citizen. he applied again three months after returning from dagestan. it's hard to separate the political situation and what impact it might have it and his own personal emotional situation. >> absolutely. i read over the weekend everything i could about him, just think of one thing.

he came back. he was denied his citizenship by the fbi. when he wanted to become a member of the u.s. olympic boxing team. >> he wants to represent our country at the olympics. >> yes. and so he was denied citizenship. may that have played a role in it? may he have become a sleeper cell? we don't know. we will find out. there are so many contradictions as you said particularly between him and his brother. i want to think -- i think it's important for us to understand that whatever may have happened here, we have got to focus more attention on the terrorist groups that are operating in dagestan that may now become the next source of al qaeda operatives against the united states. >> ambassador mark ginsburg, thank you for being with us. today's tweet of the day comes from the boston police department. it tweeted a photo of a red sox player walking through a line of officers with the caption thank

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the mother lode is london. they call it the ring of steel. 400,000 cameras strong. nationally one camera for every 32 people in britain. the criticism, there's a cost to freedom. the alcu said in 2007, given the threat they pose to civil liberties, they recommend that local governments stop deploying them. new york's leaders disagree. >> i am a major proponent of cameras. the more cameras the better. i think the privacy issue has been taken off the table. >> that on "morning joe" today. innovations like aerial drone tech following raise the debate to high flights. remote controlled mini planes and robotic two-foot wide helicopters can surveil without detection. panoramic video cameras with eyeballs like a flies can scan 180 degrees without even turning a head. the cost using baltimore as an

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good morning, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. topping our agenda, awake and answering. the surviving suspect in the boston bombings is responding to questions and at this hour, dzhokhar tsarnaev remains in the hospital under heavy guard unable to speak because of a throat injury but is communicating through writing. investigators trying to piece together the how and why. confident they've got the right guy. >> we're satisfied that the two actors here,he